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Sometime in the past 12-18 months or so Billy Jack Haynes finally got his chance to speak out. The interview, which really isn’t much of an interview because Billy is the only one doing the talking, was apparently shot on video for wrestling enthusiasts and by wrestling enthusiasts.
 
Billy, fairly quickly, mentions getting stabbed and beat up in 2006, and Phil Stanford writing about it in the Trib. Nothing nice to say about Phil.
 
The shoot lasts about 2 hours and 37 minutes, and is mostly an attack on Vince McMahon. Billy does finally mention the Francke murder around 2:17-2:21, and again at 2:22, saying something about being forced to leave Oregon before testifying at the Francke murder trial, and that his father’s life was threatened if he testified. 
 
Classic Billy rambling on and informing everyone at the end that he’s been diagnosed with Hep C, and probably doesn’t have long to live. Conspiracy theories abound throughout centered around McMahon. I listened to the entire 2 1/2 hour audio file. Amusing.
 
Anyone else who cares to listen to this shoot interview can download the 72MB .mp3 file at the following link…
 
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Watched "The Wrestler" this week on DVD and couldn’t help thinking about Billy Jack Haynes through the entire movie.
 
I have few regrets about having to move away from Portland, but I sure wish I’d have still been in Portland when Billy contacted me. Had I have been able to meet with Billy in person, things would’ve played out much differently. I have a fondness for Billy that is difficult to explain other than I feel we are both alike in many ways.
 
Whether or not the story Billy shared with me about him being at the Dome Building the night Michael Francke was murdered is true we may never know for sure, but I can assure you if I was still in Portland Billy and I would’ve spent a lot of time together, and we would’ve paid a visit to Bruce Anderson’s house together.
 
It sickens me that so many people have come forward with information over the years only to be ignored for one reason or another. That makes no sense to me at all.
 
Prior to Billy contacting me in late 2007, he had also been in contact with a local Portland area documentary video producer. Billy was hoping to generate interest in filming a documentary on his life. Did he conjure up his Francke story to entice the producer to take on the project? Maybe, maybe not. Again, personally I would’ve spent time with Billy to find out.
 
Billy continued his correspondence with the producer after he discontinued his correspondence with me using his Francke story to garner more attention to the documentary project. Although the producer was genuinely interested in Billy’s Francke spin, he ultimately determined Billy was more interested in telling his life story aside from the Francke spin.
 
A woman who claimed to be Billy’s ex contacted me last month asking if what Billy had shared with me about the Francke murder was true. Her name is Cherri Houk. She never responded to my reply to her email. Others have contacted me concerning Billy. One with an offer for Billy to do some promo spots or something. Reconnect with his fans in some way. I forwarded the email to Billy.
 
I’ve also extended an invitation to Billy to come visit me in Iowa, and have offered to cover his travel expenses. You’re not scared of me are you Billy? Best way I can think of for the two of us to iron out any differences brought about by Granny. I’m more than happy to share my thoughts with you face to face rather than Granny forwarding my emails to you.
 
Seems to be a lot of new videos of Billy on YouTube lately. Here’s one of his retirement which includes his father and other family members. One thing I’m sure of…Billy did love his father very much.
 
    
As we approach the 20th anniversary of Michael Francke’s murder, and Phil Stanford is gearing up to devote a column to the occasion, I’m wondering what he will write. As much as I like Phil, and respect his early work on this case, he just aint what he used to be. It’s been about 15 years since him and Kevin winded down their crusade for justice, and began making preparations for the filming of the movie, "Without Evidence." Since then, what? More on that later.
 
I never have been able to understand why the Trib reported Shorty got paid for his interview with a lie. Jim Redden, who wrote the article, knew full well Shorty was being paid $3,000 by the Francke brothers. Not $1,000 as he reported. Oh, they knew they would take some flak if they didn’t mention it, and it got out, but again, why lie and risk that getting out. Shorty would know, right? If you’re gonna trust Shorty not to say anything, then why not trust him to not mention being paid at all?
 
Not much difference really. Sure, there was some flak about Shorty being paid, but who would’ve thought the most outspoken one of all in that regard would be Frank’s sister Francine?
 
Ya know, I played along with that charade as well, until I realized there was an even bigger charade.
  
It’s been a year now since Billy Jack Haynes came to me with his story about witnessing Tim Natividad stab Michael Francke. What occurred between Billy, Granny/Pam Quinn, and myself over that fiasco was the most comical of all. Especially in hindsight a year later. Take some time to read all those posts in my "Billy Jack" category, and you’ll see what I mean. From Granny’s perspective you’d think she found her "Deep Throat," in Billy Jack and we were all in danger as if we’d written "The Pelican Brief." LOL!
 
In other words, if Granny’s worries or concerns had been valid, we’d all be dead now. Everybody is still alive and kickin Granny. And Granny thought we were the first people he had shared his story with. Not quite Granny. I’ve learned Billy had begun running his mouth to others about witnessing the Francke murder long before he came to me.
 
Whatever Billy’s reasons were for telling the story he did we may never know. I’ll give Frank’s fed lawyer Nell Brown credit for at least attempting to listen to his story. Maybe Billy would’ve showed for his appointment with her if Granny hadn’t of turned everything into the fiasco she did.
 
I guess that internet fame Granny has been after just got the best of her with the Billy Jack saga. I mean, with an email address of pamela@onlinesuccess.com… well, haha, I guess that about spells it out, right?
 
Seems some wrestling fans over at WrestlingClassics.com have developed an interest in the emails sent to me by former professional wrestler Billy Jack Haynes almost a year ago. Check it out.
 
Some pretty crazy stuff, huh? Actually, maybe not so crazy. Wouldn’t it just be a hoot if Billy Jack Haynes really was telling me the truth to the best of his ability after all these years?
 
Yeah, they have something now called an fMRI Lie Detector Test. The company who conducts the test has agreed to perform testing for free on any witnesses connected with the Francke/Gable case. Just one of the reasons why Billy Jack has clammed up. Billy was also a no-show when he was scheduled to talk to a fed attorney about his Francke claims.
 
Oh, he’s still lurking around here, so if anyone wants to send him a shout-out, feel free to do so.
 
Yo Billy…these folks seem to think your emails are right in character for you, as if you’ve got priors on slingin some crazy-ass shit.
The following emails are the final correspondence between Billy Jack and myself which transpired a month after the last emails I posted.
 
Billy apparently felt the need to email me after I posted a video of his "shoot interview, " as you’ll see in this posting. As I did with my last BJ post…I’m leaving BJ’s email address in my copy and paste. So, anyone who wants to write the worthless bitch can do so.
 
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shoot interview 6/3/2006

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Rob Taylor,
 
Your FFG site may as well be flushed down the toilet, it seems you have no real interest in freeing frank gable, just fucking frank gable over. I could care less about you downloading
my 3min plus shoot interview on your FFG site, how will it help frank?…
 
Why don’t you ever get your OWN information to help frank gable, you use info from Pam, phil, redden, etc….
 
The only time that you wrote on your own to the Franke family, you exposed to the PTribune
to JR you paid off cappie harden $1-$3K to change his testimony as the only live witness,
that convicted frank gable in 1991!…The little money you got, all but destroyed the chance
of any re-trial for frank, cause now you’ve tainted the witness and its been published that you
payed off the only live eye witness with cash! How ridiculous are you RT?….Now that
if there is ever a re-trial???? The DA’s will have a field day, cause like PS you wanted a pay-day. My shoot interview has been viewed by over 100,000 people, so fuckin what!….How are
you still having enough balls to stay alive with FFG-forget frank gable, if you want a honest
web-site FFG tell however many readers or members  you have, that you destroyed franks
chances at re-trial by being paid cash to change the only eyewitness (known in 1991) that
by having the media with Redden at PT telling everyone about the pay-off, then publish it! It
looks like you purposely destroyed franks chances, does frank no this RT?…If so you would
crush him, your on the outside looking in, franks on the inside looking out!…Your susposed
to know the difference, just like when I came forward to tell you about what I knew of 1/17/89
instead of keeping your word, you called the tribune your word is shit man! I tested you and
you failed the test with your mouth, why? why? why?…….It is you RT that destroyed this
innocent man, and I hope you can honestly sleep at night man, and I mean this without
trying to hurt anyone, because of you Frank will never get a new trial, he can only hope for
a pardon from the governor other than TK! Take your website off the internet man, your only
hurting Frank Gable BRO, and for just a little DOE, and thats pretty damn LOW!…..BJH
 
 
 
 
 

Date:

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Re: shoot interview 6/3/2006

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Send an Instant Message "Bill Haynes" billyjackhaynes53@yahoo.com

 
Billy,
 
Frank is Native American if you didn’t know. There’s an old Native American saying that goes like this…
 
…No tree has branches foolish enough to fight amongst each other. Think about that Billy.
 
Since you have chosen to start attacking me with your ridiculous assertions of what I have or have not accomplished, and done so without explaining specifically how you came to your ridiculous conclusions, I am left to assume. I hate assuming. So why not just tell me?
 
You seem to have this idea that I paid Shorty for his interview or that I got paid. Nothing could be further from the truth. The Francke brothers paid Shorty. I didn’t, and I got nothing. No splitting the money with Shorty, NOTHING!
 
You, better than anyone, should know you can’t believe what you read in the papers. Right Billy? I’d havta go back and check the tribune articles, but I’m pretty sure the Trib simply mentioned Shorty was paid $1000 for his interview. I don’t think they specifically said who paid him, but of course it implied it was me since I’m the one who befriended Shorty and made the interview possible. Funny thing is, the Trib knew the Francke’s paid him $3000. So why say it was $1000? Tell ya in a minute. Curiously, when the Francke’s met me to bring the money they only gave me $1000, with the promise of the other $2000 the next day. I was expected to go back to Shorty and still sell him on the interview under the new terms. Kinda like goin back to the drug dealer and telling him here’s 1/3 now and they want you to front the rest. Haha! How I ever convinced him is beyond me. Maybe it’s because I garnered his trust or he felt he owed me cuz for the past month I’d loaned him money, did fiberglass work on his corvette and painted it in my shop, and did countless other favors for him. I brought him and his kind around my family, and did it all in search of the truth. The amount of time I spent with Shorty so the whole thing could happen is worth much more than the $3000 the Francke’s spent. The $1000 up front deal was purposely done to appease the warped sense of truth in the Trib reporters. They could say it was $1000 cuz that’s all they saw, even though they knew $2000 was to follow. Why mention it at all unless you’re going to be 100% truthful? You figure it out Billy. You’re a smart guy.
 
The Willamette Week on the other hand did say I paid Shorty. I recently posted a comment to that at their website setting the record straight. You can view it at this link…
 
 
I found Shorty living three miles from my home in Portland by asking someone to run a DMV check. It was that simple. This after Kevin Francke led me on three wild goose chases up to Auburn, WA where Kevin said he was living. Phil was against me looking for Shorty. He was worried I’d end up dead or something. What a crock, huh?
 
Phil and a couple others in the media have been spinning stories about Frank’s case for years now, and have been getting paid for everything they have done. Frank’s family have done nothing other than put money on his books. Then there’s Kevin, the brother of the victim. Is anyone surprised at his attempts to find the truth? Of course not! He’s family.
 
Then there’s me. A guy with no connection to either family, and a guy who didn’t even know Frank. A guy who simply decided to step up and do something instead of sitting back and wondering why nobody else was doing something. A guy who had a dad that was a corrupt cop, and a guy who had himself been a drug dealer/user and had lived in that world. I decided to create a website so I could compile every bit of info, every story ever written, etc, and put it in one place in an attempt to create some sort of vehicle informing others of Frank’s plight. Naturally I included some of my own opinions such as Scott McAlister being responsible for the hit.
 
I didn’t have a clue how to make a website Billy. I spent well over a year working practically 16 hours a day teaching myself how, and reading everything I could get my hands on to inform myself about the case. All this for a guy I didn’t even know. Not to mention the toll it exacted on my marriage. I didn’t ask anyone for permission or expect anything in return other than hopefully playing some part in getting Frank freed.
 
I could go on and continue to explain things further, but what’s the point? I don’t care what you or anyone else thinks about me. I know in my heart what my intentions are, and that’s all I need to concern myself with.
 
What I find absolutely ridiculous is how you accuse me of hurting Frank’s chances of freedom because Shorty got paid for his interview. Tell it to the Francke’s. They paid him, not me. I just found the fuck and got him to tell me if he lied or not. It was Phil and Kevin who were hot to get me to convince Shorty to do an interview with the Trib. I wrote everything down after I first met Shorty and sent it to Kevin. Here take a look…
 
 
 
Anyway, I could go on about how the whole thing played out, but don’t have the time, and besides, I know what up and that’s all that matters.
 
What really gets me is how YOU accuse me of fucking Frank. The guy who alleges to have actually seen the murder and who has kept quiet about it until now.
 
With that said, for you, of all people, to accuse me of fucking up Frank’s chances of freedom is completely absurd! Point your guilty conscience elsewhere.
 
What I have learned Billy is that the Francke’s and the media have been using me and playing me much the same way you’ve been played by the media, Anderson, Dunn, etc. I have so much evidence of that it’s ridiculous, and would fill a book. A book I may write someday, and if I make any money on that it will be because I earned it. I expect nothing for free. I know the truth, and you know the truth. THEY have been trying to discredit me ever since the Shorty thing. Do I worry somebody? THEY have spent years discrediting you Billy. Do you worry somebody?
 
Let’s talk about Pam who has spent a couple of years attempting to befriend me and garner my trust. That’s easy enough to do if you are a contributor and not just a passerby. Pam contributed some good work and I am appreciative of her contributions. I can’t do it all or necessarily the best. I just do what I can and hope others will follow my lead. Multiple heads are better than one. So why did she all of a sudden betray me and forward an email I sent her to you. Nothing I wouldn’t have said in that email directly to you if given the chance, but she didn’t give me the chance. Obviously her intentions were to turn you against me. If you or her either one had issues with me why not direct your questions directly at me? Why didn’t you email me after you got that email and ask me why I said this or that? Communication Billy.
 
Instead, you fall in the trap. I’ve never met Pam and always suspected her true intentions. With all I’ve learned it would be foolish to trust anyone, now wouldn’t it? Just ask yourself why she would throw away all the trust she has garnered with me to discredit me in your eyes? Again Billy, you’re a smart guy. I really don’t need to explain, do I?
 
I never sent your emails to anyone at the trib. I did tell Jim Redden you said you witnessed the murder and about the knife getting stuck. That’s it! Besides, you told me to talk to them. You were all about getting a press conference together. You even told me to contact Nigel. If you don’t remember, maybe it’s because of your meds. Reread your emails you sent me. I never shared your emails with the trib because they weren’t interested. They think you’re a flake, and I even told you that. Redden had nothing but good to say about Bruce Anderson, and my last email to him was all the shit Pam had dug up on Bruce. I told Redden that I basically begged to differ with his opinion of Bruce.
 
I heard that Pam is fearful I’ll get everyone killed with my mouth. Probably cuz I wrote her telling her I was gonna post everything on the website about what you told me cuz I’m tired of waiting for the media to do anything and tired of playing games. I fully expected her to write back and talk to me about it, but instead she betrays me in an attempt to discredit me in your eyes, and severs all communication with me.
 
Saying something and doing something are two different things. Wouldn’t you agree Billy? Besides, I’m so sick of scared fucks! I’ve put myself and my family out there with everything I’ve done, and the biggest probably being how I confronted that sick pedophile McAlister. Anyone who is scared should just go run and hide. BTW, I thought these were the qualities you admired in me. Why did you come to me in the first place? Wasn’t it because you admired all the things that now you’re attacking me on? Go figure!
 
As I said earlier…I created the website to inform others. Much has happened that I have witheld for one reason or another. Maybe to curb my impulsiveness or spontanaiety and wait for the proper time. Maybe to give others or the media enough time to do whatever, I don’t know.
 
What I do know now is I’m sick of all the bullshit. Sick of being attacked by people who don’t have a clue what they’re talking about. Sick of motherfuckers pointing their fingers at me for whatever when I’m the only one doing something. It’s fucking crazy! Not surprised though. I knew what I was getting myself into. I just had to do it to see if it played out how I suspected it might.
 
Now we come to you contacting me and sharing what you know. What am I supposed to do with it? You wanted to hold a press conference and tell the world. I haven’t seen any press conferences. So might as well put it up on the site. Did you come to me and tell me your story and ask me to keep it quiet? No! You came to me asking me to help you obtain a press conference. Even wanted me there by your side.
 
If I put your story on the website will it put your life in danger or Pam’s? Why should I give a fuck when all you are doing is attacking me? Much the same way motherfuckers who don’t have a clue have been attacking you over the years. You’re doing the same to me that MFers have been doing to you. You should know better. Besides, I didn’t think you were scared. Should I care if Pam gets whacked? Hell no! She betrayed me and has her own agenda obviously.
 
My website simply contains everything that was wriiten about this case, as well as my personal experiences with Shorty and McAlister, and those experiences are truthfully written, even down to the part about me eventually getting high with him. I have nothing to hide, and I’ve always hoped that that type of honesty would help others to believe in me more. That seemed to be the case with you in the beginning. What happened?
 
Meg Hanson seems to be the only one with good info who isn’t scared. She brought her story about seeing the MIPS and actually wrote it all down so all I had to do was copy and paste it on the site. No one is paying any attention and she’s still alive and kicking.
 
If I put your story up no-one will probably pay any attention to it either. You can’t prove anything, and the passage of time has made it even more difficult, and you wanna point the finger at me for fucking up Frank’s chances of freedom? Take a look in the mirror Billy.
 
Anyway, I’ve spent enough time trying to explain things to you. Whether you get it or not makes no difference to me. You say you got a lawyer. Great Billy! Lawyers are so trustworthy. Fuckin scumbags is what they are. Not to mention the majority of all those who conspired to kill Mike probably hold law degrees. Haha!
 
BTW, I said you were a fool in that email because you came to me with your story, then abruptly changed your phone number, hired a lawyer, severed communications with me, then proceeded to attack me. Not once, other than in the beginning did you attempt to talk to me about any issues that were on your mind. Sounds kinda foolish to me.
 
So what now Billy? A heel turn? Is that how they say it in wrestling? Don’t bother Bro!
 
Fuck me once…shame on you
 
Fuck me twice…shame on me
 
I don’t give a fuck about your story anymore. You’re "too late the conquering hero" Bro. Almost 20 years later you step up. Whatever! I suppose better late than never, and I applaud you for that at least cuz I do believe you. Too bad I’m not an appellate judge, huh?
 
Maybe I’m the real fool for thinking I could make a difference. It doesn’t seem to matter who steps up with what story. Some of it becomes media fodder and some of it doesn’t. In the end none of it makes any difference. Guess I’ve proven that since getting involved.
 
The only thing that’s gonna make a difference is locating the murder weapon or Frank winning an appellate argument that gets him a new trial. Period!
 
Take care of yourself Billy. That’s what I’m mostly spending my time doing these days. Since I last talked to you I’ve been diagnosed with Type 2 diabetes. Was pissin like every 15 minutes so went to the doctor. Fuckin blood sugar was at 556! I spent the night in the hospital while they brought it down and they sent me home on oral meds. I take two pills a day. It’s all good. I’m workin out at the gym and am on a 2000 calorie diet that is working quite well. I weighed in at 269 at my diagnosis, and weigh 250 now. Feeling much better and have much more energy. My ideal weight is 225. So I got 25 more pounds to lose. Piece of cake! Speaking of cake…wish I had a slice! Haha! Ah, I still get dessert. Just sugar free stuff that tastes pretty good really, and of course diet pop. Doc said I’m on track to beat this shit. Said I can make it go away with diet and exercise and getting in shape.
 
I do love a challenge…
 
Rob

 
 
 
 
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Re: shoot interview 6/3/2006

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To Rob Taylor, (MAN to MAN Rob Taylor /Billy Jack Haynes)
 
I have written Frank 3 times now Rob, and I have not said a negative word about nobody, I
would not de-man Frank like that. I know Frank is part indian RT, as I am part Modoc myself
RT. I’m sorry if you think I’m attacking you, Rob  cause I don’t mean to be, I think it is failure
to communicate don’t you. Though I re-read my e-mail and I could see where you might
think this, and for that I’m sorry Rob!
 
I hope that your health is better with diabetes Type 2?…My Father had Juvenile diabetes for
the last 51 years of his life, totally Blind and an amputee confined to a wheelchair. Dad died
on my 40th birthday, great present man. I sincerely wish you a full recovery in your Type 2
diabetes Rob, get well and you can beat it with a proper diet!…
 
I guess I’ve beat you pretty badly for the shorty harden $1-$3K?….Pay-off in the PT story, I
read the story and (assumed) you were the reason Rob that this story which will without any
doubt coerce any DA to control the judge to decline a new trial for Frank, right?…If you had
nothing to do with the printing of this story, (man I apologize)Rob then the PT is fucked up to
allow this media to go out published!…
 
Your shorty part II is absurd as you say, I do like your directness and no chicken shit part
of your life. I think both of us could fill a book with evidence, if we could get on the same
wavelength/timeline man!….Anderson did have dunn write the front cover of WW with which I
never talked to once a sham!…You make alot of sense hear again, and I must admit Rob I do
stand with you in this instance also. DIS-CREDIT is the way its done Rob I guess you found
out yourself, even I tryed to discredit you by accident!….Good call man!
 
I don’t want to talk about your female friend cause she has always done me right RT, I know
that your angered by my article, but I know deep down you care if an innocent party gets
wacked, right Rob…What I think that you need to understand though Rob is there is a very
powerful click in 1987-………………it is still strong today as you know!…I do admire your
going to the child pedophile McAlister in Arizona, you could have got shot! That is where you and are the same man!…
 
I do sincerely care for Frank Gable and his innocence, as I know you do and if you put me in
my place, if I’m wrong I’ll admit it Rob. I was attempted to be murdered for what reason?……
 
To your "GOOD HEALTH RT" from bjh
Picking up from BJ’s 12/20/07 email which was the content of my last BJ post a week ago…
 
I didn’t hear from Billy again until 1/1/08. Coincidentally, I still wasn’t hearing from granny either during this time. I had forwarded Billy’s last email to granny where he seemed upset that Nigel and I had briefly discussed Billy’s meeting with Nigel (email in the previous post). I didn’t get a response from granny until just before the 30th of December. Here’s granny’s response to my email…
 
Pamela W <pamela@onlinesuccesstoday.com> wrote:
 
Hi Rob, Now just getting back to normal (I hope) at my house. Lot’s of overnight family here for the Xmas deal.

I initially missed the BJH email forward from you, but did find it buried in a bunch of emails (related to my son’s business) and read it.

I read the end, where it appears he’s decided on not talking to the local media?
It was accurate that you explained to BJH that you and I hadn’t been in communication for a couple weeks. I don’t know that will make a difference or not.
 
Note from Rob: No shit it was accurate that granny and I hadn’t been in communication of late. Like I needed granny to reaffirm that for me. I knew from this sentence that granny was wording her emails for Billy’s benefit. Within the next couple of days I would receive proof of that.

BJH seemed to be expressing (in the email) that he had a concern about Nigel and you discussing BJH meeting/s with Nigel, on an ongoing basis.
That’s what I read from it, anyway. I suppose if I had been nearly murdered, like BJH, and thought it was related to the Francke murder, I would be extremely cautious, too.
 
Note from Rob: Cautious? Whatever! If Billy was being cautious why did he spill his guts to me (a complete stranger) in all these emails and phone conversations? More posturing for Billy’s benefit obviously.

I am having problems sending out emails again, and incoming is going into the wrong folders. My son was here from Seattle just changed things on my email for me while he was here, so hopefully it will get better..He switched my email server to another one he has, so far so good today.

That was kind of Frank to send his art to you for a Christmas present. It would be nice if you could scan it, with his permission of course, and put it on your website, for the public to view.  He is truly talented at art, from what you have shared with me before.

I bet you were busy with pizza flinging during the holidays! We ate pizza (delivered) at least three times for dinner last week, LOL.

Take care, pam

 
 
The following is my response to Granny’s email above…

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Sun, 30 Dec 2007 17:26:08 -0800 (PST)

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Re: Happy Holidays

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The thing is Nigel and I discussed nothing other than the fact he talked to Billy, and that was cuz I asked. Hell, the fool came to me first. Why should he give a shit what Nigel and I talk about?
 
Billy’s story is nothing anyway. Just another Greg Johnson sorta kinda thing, and Billy is probably less credible than Greg cuz he’s so doped up.
 
I wrote Billy telling him he should be prepared to answer the question of why he waited so long to talk. My guess is Nigel told him the same thing…hence his feeling that Nigel and I had a more in-depth discussion. Nigel hasn’t even called me. Then there are the contradictions or weird statements Billy told you. Billy’s probably doing this to try to fuck Anderson some way. Who knows and who cares? Even if he’s truthful it probably wouldn’t accomplish anything unless there was a new trial.
 
Anyway, we can talk more about Billy if ya wanna on the phone.
 
I’m preparing to lay down a "Year in Review," and reveal everything starting with the Karie Rothschild thing and ending with the Billy stuff. Nobody’s trying to kill Billy over the Francke thing or he’d be dead already. What happened to Billy is due to the lifestyle he leads and the people he associates with.
 
So kind of a slam dunk on the whole kit and kaboodle. Tired of playing these dumb ass media games. I created the website to find out what up and to inform others. Whether they choose to believe it or not is on them. If they’re shocked or surprised, I don’t care. I’m just an ex con with a website. Whadda I know? But folks might as well recognize that if they come to me with info and I deem it relevant in some way I’m gonna put it out there. Otherwise, what’s the point of all this?
 
Rob
 
 
The email above is the one granny has admitted forwarding to Billy. It was perfectly obvious to me anyway after receiving the following email from Billy…
 
Date:

Tue, 1 Jan 2008 19:25:21 -0800 (PST)

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ignorance and reality from us both

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robtaylor@freefrankgable.com
 
Rob Taylor,
 
I never wanted to e-mail you again for the reason of your ignorance Rob, you talk alot of shit man, alot of shit!…For instance below:
 
1)There is no question I’m a recovering pain pill addict, but the word is recovering addict
or in recovery and prescribed medications from my doctor. When you got high with cappie
harden where was your FUCKING PRESCRIPTION!
 
2)Then you want to put me in the same sentence, or less than greg johnson in the whole for
being a rat. You must have read the April 2006 PT PHIL "SPIN"FORD, it was the very last
full page article that phil got every bit of his info from BRUCE ANDERSON, takedown in the
ring comes to real life. Phil wrote at the end that I rolled over or ratted out on ????????????
WHO PHIL "SPIN" FORD?….I’ve never been a rat! YOU?
 
3)Who knows who cares Rob?…I must say that you must not really care or have done
your homework. First I’ve traveled around the world, seen many customs of life, I had over
3,000 pro wrestling events including mania3 in 87 in WWF. I became the first ever promotor
in pro wrestling oregon statewide in feb 1988 in a kangaroo court by Bruce Anderson, who
was appointed by childrapist Neil Goldylocks at $ 89K a year. I met every politician in the
state capitol in Salem Goldylocks, McAlister, Giusto, Cupp, Kulongoski, Mabon, Natividad,
etc……..I was bruces best friend in those crazy times, and I was privy to much political BS!
You got the nerve to call me a FOOL!…I tryed to tell you I was a beaten up wreck with a life
full of abuse and death and many suicide attempts with russian roulette for real RT! I’m not
proud of this ignorance of mine, my dad was BLIND!
 
4) I’m a former boxer, and a damn good one in Dec 1988 at Mt. Scott CC Bruce tryed to
put a stop to this, just after the WW 6 page article came out by katherine dunn, as told to
her by bruce anderson, total BS and never interviewed me at all. I was totally out of my head
by this time, and due to many serious physical as well as mental injuries, was totally a painpill addict RT, probably 20 vicodin a day by now. I just lost about $ 400,000.00 dollars of
very hard work to get, then my gym, and now blackmail with losing my home and property.
I doubt if this will interest you RT, cause it is my life not yours. I had a couple of reasons in
my timeline to be at the murder of Michael Franke RT, boxing at the dome with trainer Wally
Jorgenson, or be a paid hit man, or a paid man to beat the fuck out of Franke!…….I’m all for
justice RT, and I stand at my position that I was an eyewitness to Michael Frankes murder
and complete top to bottom CONSPIRACY at the DOME BUILDING!…..I fear not but…….
you must remember RT I’ve had 3 very real and documented murder attempts thinking I’ll go
to the correct media!….Phil and bruce are tight RT, and you must understand that for over a
year I suffered a severe brain injury while being beaten with a blunt object over 20 times. I’ve
had a full facial reconstruction, and 13 broken bones in my face, and torn retina, etc…I dont
think you took this under consideration RT at all. You’ve never seen color photos have you.
 
5)Then you called me a fool RT, and this one hurts cause I dont know who to trust, I’ve never
in my life let this go without a fight but at 54 , the fight would be never ending. I wish you’d
been a national celebrity like I was, your under the microscope and any fuckup your done! I
read many internet comments about me being crazy, nuts, drug addict, and I’d be lying if I
told you it did’nt hurt me. People can call me what evr they want to but a "LIAR" is’nt one of
them RT!…..I fear nobody and most of my friends are dying at an alarming rate in pro-wrestling as you probably know. I CONSTANTLY deal with 1/17/89 and for you to arrogantly
say that I’ve read your web-site to much is BULL-SHIT RT!…l ‘ve been beatin my brains in a
whole lot of years over this murder, and it is totally serious. This means I have to ask you
if you have the FFG-Free Frank Gable for your own dollar profit, like maybe PS did, why do
you accept $ 3,000.00 from KF to split with cappie harden, then go to the media and tell PT, like you did me RT in the start of me contacting you?,,,WHY?….This destroys any and
all possibility chance for a re-trial, any DA will just say you tainted every witness with $$$$$
right RT!….The DA will do this to every witness, and Frank will be thrown out of court, this
was an ignorant foolish move on your part RT! You got to know this much, the FFG- means
nothing for Frank. Why don’t you publish this KF money to cappie on your web-site for all
to know what you did. You ruined Frank chance for re-trial leaving myself as his only shot,
unless Frank gets a government pardon????????? Just wanted to wish you a happy new year RT, and I’m sorry if I was a little rough, but so were you friend, thanks for your letting
me meet and talk to Pam, she is sincerely honest and I need that RT!  BJH!,,,,,It will be a
very interesting 2008, done in my way without selfishness from the trio RT,PS, and NJ!
 
LOL! I wonder if Billy came up with all that bullshit on his own or if granny put it in his head. Care to enlighten us all granny? Maybe explain what you hoped to accomplish by sharing my email with Billy? You’ve admitted to sharing the email…now tell us why.

 
 
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Wed, 12 Dec 2007 07:41:32 -0800 (PST)

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Re: franke murder/new trial for gable

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"Rob Taylor" robtaylorus@yahoo.com

 

Rob Taylor,
 
I’m once again under the weather with severe headache due to brain trauma AKA concussion, so bear with me. To me the wait is different with me, I had to first go through a
nightmare of bruce anderson media with KD with the WW.
 
My wife left for florida, taking my
only child, a toy poodle named poppy! I had to battle, pay some, and pray that no info would
get back to my blind dad who’s dream of my success came together. I let bruce anderson
and his UNTOUCHABLE greatest worker(con) in the world brainwash me to become first
statewide promotor in Oregon through his kangaroo court in WilsonVille.
 
I’m not blaming
nobody though cause it is my ignorant fault to be or have all the right buttons pushed, bruce
was the expert at this rob. Bruce introduced to me all of his politictical power and friends
to me with handshakes, but the answer to this was don’t fuck me billy, dont you ever fuck
me, movie sound familiar with Tony Montana in scarface, this is who bruce really was if you
had the ignorance and unluck to ever meet the UNTOUCHABLE $89K working fuck man! I
never liked bruce just had to tolerate him, I’ll be back in touch Rob Taylor.
 
It is very nice to
know that I have 3 people who believe in me, and my mind is coming back hopefully not to
late or to be killed again, how many lifes does a man have anyway?………later RT/BJH
 
 
One week later…

 

Date:

Wed, 19 Dec 2007 14:24:11 -0800 (PST)

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Re: franke murder/new trial for gable

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Send an Instant Message "Bill Haynes" billyjackhaynes53@yahoo.com

Hey, hows things goin?
 
I haven’t heard from Nigel. Just been gettin ready for Christmas and all. Gotta mail the presents out cuz my family is there in Oregon and Washington.
 
Lemme know you’re ok, will ya?
 
Have a good Christmas Bro!
 
Rob
 
The following day I get an email forward from Billy of an email he received from Nigel Jaquiss, which included Billy’s response to Nigel as well…

Nigel Jaquiss <njaquiss@wweek.com> wrote:

Hi Billy—

I enjoyed our conversation the other day.

I saw the email posting you sent in to our Website.

Note from Rob: When I first read this I hadn’t a clue what Nigel was talking about, and it’s obvious from Billy’s reply below that he didn’t either. Later I found a post Billy had made on the "Who Knew" story at the WW website. The post was made on Dec. 14, 2007.

Obviously this was what Nigel was referring to. It confused Billy and I both because an email is different than a message post on a website.

There’s a lot of heavy stuff in there and I just want to make sure you want it posted for others
to read.

Also, because some of what’s in there is new information for many people,
I want to ask you to maintain exclusive conversation with me. I’m willing
to do the reporting necessary to confirm the story you told me about
having witnessed Francke’s stabbing. To confirm that story is going to
take a lot of time and work. I’m anxious to do the work but want to make
sure that when I do, I’ll be the only reporter you are talking to.

Finally, I’m heading to the east coast on Thursday to spend the holidays
with my wife’s family. I’m swamped until I leave and so would like to
postpone our next meeting until the first week of January, if that’s okay
with you.

Thanks for your cooperation.

Regards.

Nigel Jaquiss

 

Bill Haynes wrote:

Hello Nigel,
 
I checked all my e-mails to "YOU" Nigel at njaquiss@wweek.com , so I have no idea what
your saying here by e-mail  being "POSTED" for others to read at WW!…I clearly have no
intent to include the entire WW staff to hear about this nightmare!…This is why I always in
my encounters with the media act like an animal!…What I mean is our "DOGS" instincts as we all smell each others asshole first, or in my case give you a test-trial.
 
I/we very
clearly laid out the game/floor plan or rulebook, that this would be ‘OUR CONVERSATION’
from the start, correct Nigel?…Then in your e-mail 12/18/07 along with the e-mail post your
WW staff has access to read, in your e-mail you also tell me "EXCLUSIVE RIGHT’S" is to
be your right only with me!…You’ll do all the investigative work to confirm my word, your so
ready to confirm my word (being the only reporter)!…I guess you forgot to tell this to FFG &
Rob Taylor right Nigel, cause after "OUR CONVERSATION" I personally e-mailed Taylor &
Pamela telling both that I felt Nigel(you) believed in me as they do, and I would be privately
working with Nigel(you) in the 1/17/89 coldcase.
 
Why then would FFG-Rob Taylor tell me he
as well as you exchanged e-mails together about "OUR CONVERSATION" on Fri 12/07/07?
 

Because Billy, I’m the one you came to first. I’m the one who suggested contacting Nigel. I’m not a reporter, and you had already told me your story. What’s the big deal?
 
Rob told me that Nigel(you) believe in me (Billy), and that your going to call me in the next
couple days to set up another meeting. I was also told by RT that his advise to me is for me
to compile  everything (or itemize) my word or my confirmation, so it would be easily read!…
 
This is obvious to me you & RT talked about "OUR CONVERSATION" Nigel!…
 
So Nigel suggested the same thing to Billy obviously. Not an unreasonable suggestion. Maybe someone is making Billy more paranoid, ya think?
 
Then just for
the kicker of your conversation of "OUR CONVERSATION" with RT Nigel, RT asked me why
did I take so long to come forward?…WOW!….Then the final blow of your mistrust in wanting
your "EXCLUSIVE RIGHTS" from me Nigel, RT will let me know that he’ll, after he talks with
you last week on the phone will let me know how your conversation went NigeL!…FUCKING
BULLSHIT MEDIA assholes, man you fuckin guys have no feelings for the victim at all.
 
Nigel
you just won a $ 10,000.00 Pulitzer award prize for journalism at WW man, it was for FILTH
on ex-mayor and ex-governor Neil "the child rapist" Goldschmidt. My test that you, RT, and
PS all failed in the MEDIA field is your FUCKING EGOS. Phil Stanford, Rob Taylor, and
now Nigel Naquiss of the Portland tribune, FFG-Free Frank Gable, and now the fucking dirt
rag who I should have never trusted again after the 1988 100% LIE 6 page story front cover
on guess who Nigel?….
 
Yeah me man,Billy Jack Haynes (the rise and the fall) written by the
freelance queen bitch Katherine Dunn as told to her by the silent(UNTOUCHABLE) William
Bruce Anderson!…Where you all (3) journalists fucked up with me is with your heart, I very
purposely wrote (e-mailed) very long articles that included my horrific childrape at 8-9-& 10
years of age.
 
It was after my memory of my first near fatal murder attempt 1/10/06 on the lot
of Longoria, I was struck over 20 times with a pipe or blunt instrument(WBA insisted on BK),
and looking back Longoria now saved my life!….My question to you now, its very simplistic
man, why in 2-3 murder attempts on my life was there never once,I had a story ran on me in
the biggest read newspaper of all the "OREGONIAN"?…Why?The ‘O’ is owned by New york
is’nt it?
 
And is’nt that where William Bruce Anderson, as well as close friend Phil Stanford is
from?…Phil has the fucking balls to call me a "WACKO", I’m sure that all (3) of you stooges
have conversed about me, RT informed the entire PT that I ‘d known of 1/17/89, PS was until my lawyer at $ 400hr (free as a friend though) showed up, cause it would’ve been
fucking perfect timing to have been arrested at the MCSO at NE 122nd Glisan why?….This I
feel would have been my arrest and killing for my knowledge of 1/17/89, of course I’d been
shot and killed trying to escape on paper and in the PR, that would have made the ‘O’ right!..
 
Then I was ordered back to have my DNA and fingerprints taken because poor little Phil had
his fucking life threatened,why phil?….You chicken shit prick thought I actually wanted to hit
or kill you, I remember very little about our lunches and my mind and memory was gone at
the time after 1/10/06 for about a year maybe, but (3) days later I’m nearly killed again PS,
it was (3) days after my DNA was taken and Detective Torres, I’m sure Bernie Giustos pal
at the office at 122nd ave ,admitted to going over on his own to tell Longoria that I and this
stupid fuckin detective told Longoria that I was after him, as well as my attorney who Torres
even gave Longoria my attorneys full name!….No human is that ignorant man, it was done on purpose why?…
 
It was 3 days later I was as routinely in my van living, when at my front
passenger seat where I’m sitting at 6am or so every morning stabbed between the eyes, but
my boxing reflexes blocked most the blow of the knife. The knife penetrated between my
eyes and only 1/4 inch penetrated man!…I saw these (2) hispanic males coming and I knew
with instincts it was not normal, failed again ?????? Of course if I would have died both of
the PT and the ‘O’, and wait the WW would have had the full story!….It was only 3 days man
after the detective torres visited Longoria, a perfect fucking ‘FRAME JOB" right brucey & ???
 
Now my own attorney who has his own family felt so badly and frustrated for me, that I was
offered his million dollar home to live in, and I accepted and now living secretly in the rich &
famous area like when I was rich once in 1988 remember?….But wait it gets better, recall
detective torres by order of ???? right, gave the entire name of my attorney who has his own
name in the phone book etc…. I’m there while my attorney working at $ 400.00 an hour at
the very best level, I personally witness a OSP-Oregon State Police vehicle stop at the very
bottom of my attorneys driveway, get out with that smokey the bear hat walk about 20 feet
or so up the driveway I got my .357 magnum ready to go man. In this huge tri-level house I
stood right in clear view of this OSP patrol officer, I made eye contact as did he 50 feet or
so away and quickly walked back and left!….
 
I was honest somewhat with my attorney and
told him (2) hispanic males walked up the driveway, I was given $ 500.00 by my attorney &
we both agreed that it was way to dangerous for me to stay there, and his wife, dog, and
himself was taking a huge risk. I’m not a scared little chicken shit like Phil Stanford, who
was threatened with a letter to be wacked and sent his kid away, bought a gun, put in a full
security system, and who the fuck knows what else man, I was damn near killed twice and
 
I know the fuckin score, was a gutless human being!…Finally if you (3) stooges are still even
reading, cause your EGOS are way to big man, the PULITZER PRETENDERS!….I want to
make sure that you (3) all get downloaded this message so they’ll be none of this he said, &
she said BS!….
 
I do respect Rob Taylor much more than you other (2) ass-kissers for the
very simple fact he went to Scott McAlister’s home face to face man, but RT when you get
this very last contact e-mail you asked me the question of why I waited until now to come
forward?…
 
Answer: Try childrape, mother murdered, father BLIND, WWF, lost a million at
age 35, DAD died on my 40th birthday, I attempted suicide and russian roulette for money,
and I was a full blown drug addict (pain killers) from that to methadone that I’ll be off of in 15
days!
 
How is that for a fuckin answer BRO!…Now what is your fuckin answer to my fucking
question RT?….Why did you wait (16) years  to pay shorty harden $ 3,000.00 cash to say
or change his testimony to say he was’nt at the crimescene as a eyewitness on 1/17/89, &
why did you accept the money from Kevin Franke and only give shorty $ 1,000.00, did you
put the other $ 2,000.00 in your pocket?…Why make it public information if your trying to
help to get Frank Gable a new trial anyway man?…Any DA will use this evidence to destroy
any new trial for your FFG right man!….I don’t need your answer cause you could never ever
explain that BS! Maybe the Pulitzer prize winner can pay back Kevin with his $ 10K if it can
be confirmed with his boss!
 
You guys are a piece of work man, PS thinks I’m a wacko man
and you only know a piece of what I know and will prove. It is once again you RT that I thank
for another thing, you introduced me to a real journalist pro, who cares nothing about $$$$$$
money$$$$$$$$$$ like PS "Without Evidence" by Phil Stanford, great title man and it was
for what PS $$$$$$$$$$
 
Angelina Jolie was in it though WOW!…..FLOP!….Every man dies!
 
Few men Live! I’m nearly dead on my own, but you people make me want to live! The really
great thing here in this case that all (3) of you want to solve, in Nigels words "EXCLUSIVE
RIGHTS" to my story!…..Now just sit back and watch what the FUCK happens now man?….
 
Remember the Elephant man!….I’m not an animal, I’m a HUMAN BEING! You (3) selfish &
greedy men never gave me that element, your wanna be’s man, and I’m a has been, only I
have been to the top and around the world!….I’ve been very cruel here and I know this, and I
really am out of character, and probably am not the mind I used to be, but if you throw in a
katherine dunn in with you (3) is a failure to communicate!…Now all (4) of you can send me
$ 2,500.00 each x 4= $ 10,000.00 for my Pulitzer! Your BS is why the media is hated so
much, you don’t write the "TRUTH" and you don’t write from your "HEART & MIND"I just did!
 
The (12) Living "PRINCIPLES" of Man
1)Honesty…………………………………………………………………# 1…….Honesty…….# 1
2)Hope…………………………………………………………………….# 4……..Courage……# 2
3)Faith…………………………………………………………………….# 5……..Justice……..# 3
4)Courage…………………………………………………………………# 2…….Hope………..# 4
5)Integrity…………………………………………………………………#  7…….Faith………..# 5
6)Willingness…………………………………………………………….# 9……..Humility……# 6
7)Humility………………………………………………………………….# 6…….Integrity……# 7
8)Brotherly Love………………………………………………………….# 10..Perseverance..# 8
9)Justice…………………………………………………………………..# 3….Willingness…..# 9
10)Perseverance…………………………………………………………# 8….Brotherly Love..# 10
11)Spiritual Awareness…………………………………………………# 12..Service…………# 11
12)Service…………………………………………………………………# 11..Spiritual Aware.# 12
 
Look above and be honest, what order is your 12 PRINCIPLES! The power of the pen!WOW!
 
BJH-(were done men)